{"id":4465,"date":"2009-12-11T14:08:00","date_gmt":"2009-12-11T22:08:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.philosophyforchildren.org\/philosophy-cafe\/"},"modified":"2009-12-11T14:08:00","modified_gmt":"2009-12-11T22:08:00","slug":"philosophy-cafe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/plato-philosophy.org\/philosophy-cafe\/","title":{"rendered":"Philosophy Cafe"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_I-bvyBpij2c\/SyK3KAGG-MI\/AAAAAAAAATY\/LE9Qr4TxcaI\/s1600-h\/117_1759.JPG\"><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5414091084504955074\" style=\"DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 336px; TEXT-ALIGN: center\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/_I-bvyBpij2c\/SyK3KAGG-MI\/AAAAAAAAATY\/LE9Qr4TxcaI\/s400\/117_1759.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>On Tuesday afternoon we had a &#8220;philosophy cafe&#8221; in the 5th grade. I brought cider and cookies, and told the students that in parts of the world adults went to cafes and had something to eat and drink and talked about philosophy. It created a really different kind of environment for our conversation, very relaxed and more intimate.<\/p>\n<p>We talked about how for most of the year so far, we&#8217;ve been talking about questions of metaphysics and epistemology, about the nature of reality and about knowledge, as well as examining some aesthetics issues. I suggested that we now move into talking about ethics, and we spent a little time talking about what that is.<\/p>\n<p>I like to begin a series of ethics sessions with Plato&#8217;s story of the &#8220;Ring of Gyges,&#8221; as it raises many fundamental ethics issues in an accessible way. I told the students the story, and then asked them what they would do if they found a ring that allowed them to become invisible. Some of their answers were:<\/p>\n<p>Use it like a toy<br \/>Play tricks on people<br \/>Fight crime<br \/>Play hide and seek<br \/>Sell it on eBay<br \/>Disappear when my sisters annoy me<br \/>Put it on my dog<br \/>Sneak out of class<br \/>I would hope I wouldn\u2019t find it, because I don\u2019t need it &amp; I don\u2019t want it<\/p>\n<p>I noted that none of them had suggested doing the kind of bad things that Gyges did. Why?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think some people do good things because they want to, not just because they\u2019re scared of getting caught if they do the wrong thing,\u201d suggested another student.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut we might not do what we think we\u2019ll do,\u201d argued another. \u201cWe don\u2019t really know what we\u2019d do with the ring because we don\u2019t know how we\u2019ll feel once we have it. Most people get greedy eventually.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think that\u2019s right,\u201d another student agreed. \u201cAt some time or other, if you keep the ring, you\u2019re going to get a little greedy and want to use it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI would feel wrong doing those kinds of things,\u201d one girl volunteered. \u201cI feel happier when I do the right thing. Like I feel better when I clean up my room and do extra things around the house.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We talked a little about the idea that doing the right thing makes you happy, and how you know what the right thing to do is. I described for the students the following dilemma : you have plans to get together with a friend of yours who isn\u2019t very popular. You run into another more popular friend, who invites you to go to a movie with a group of people, a film you really want to see and it\u2019s the last day it\u2019s in the theater, but they say that your unpopular friend can\u2019t come. What&#8217;s the right thing to do, and why?<\/p>\n<p>Most of the students said they would keep their plan with the first friend, because that was their first commitment and because the more popular friend wasn\u2019t being very nice. We talked about the nature of promises and what it is that makes keeping them seem important. Many of the students seemed to think that we would have special obligations to the friend who had few other friends, and that we somehow owe less to our more popular friend.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019d say, \u2018Uh uh dude,\u2019\u201d one student declared, \u201c\u2019you already have enough friends.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We talked about the idea a student voiced that the people with the most friends do not tend to be the truest friends. Can you have many friends and still be a good friend? <\/p><\/div>\n<div>One student proposed that she would ask the first friend if it was okay with her if she went to the movies and they rescheduled their plans. \u201cBut I\u2019d make sure to tell her that she didn\u2019t have to say yes, and if she really wanted to be with me I wouldn\u2019t go to the movies.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI know!\u201d a student exclaimed. \u201cLet\u2019s make a skit of this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The students liked the idea and we divided up into groups of four, and each group acted out the scenario. Some of the students playing the more popular friend tried hard to talk the student facing the dilemma into coming to the movies and were offended at a refusal, and some of the students facing the dilemma tried to convince their less popular friends that it was okay for them to break their plans and go. 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